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8:40 pm
August 23, 2011

CanadianGazelle

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I'm back!  The wedding is over and life has calmed down slightly (but only for a brief moment since I start grad school while working full time next month).

 

Tonight we are sitting down looking at our debt sf cry Forum and expenses.  It's the first time my significant other has budgeted in his life – this could be interesting.

 

We have quite a bit of debt together but were incredibly blessed with generous wedding gifts so we will be able to pay a large chunk of that down.  It's sad to see that money go towards credit cards instead of a down payment…but that's reality and we have been given an amazing opportunity to head towards freedom from debt.

 

Together, we will be looking at:

- how much debt can we clear right away

- how can we finish paying off the rest of our debt

- what's next? (work on mortgage or save for down payment of a house in a couple years…or for a car that is going to be needed in the near future)

- what spending can we cut back on to save even more?

- is it possible to live off one of our incomes and save the other?

 

Any tips or advice for us as we work towards becoming debt free and joining our finances?

6:29 am
August 24, 2011

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First congratulations on the wedding! As for your question, you guys are already doing some good things by sitting down and getting on the same page with your money. That puts you ahead of 95% of couples already. My advice to the two of you is to continue to have open communication and dream together. That’ll take you along way on your journey as well as remembering ‘why’ you are getting debt free instead of focusing on ‘what’ you are doing to become debt free. Focusing on the ‘why’ is a great long term motivator and will help keep you focused when you encounter a rough spot. Also have lots of patience with your budget, especially since this is his first time. Give it 90 days to work out the kinks, I guarantee you that your budget come November/December will look a lot different then what it looks like now and that’s ok.

 

Overall I think you guys are well on your way. The fact that you are putting your wedding gifts towards your debt is a HUGE indicator to me that you guys are going to do well together with money. As painful as that must be, it is the wise and mature thing to do. Keep us posted and if you have any questions please let us now. Looking forward to following your progress the next few months!

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2:47 pm
August 24, 2011

CanadianGazelle

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Thanks, Jon!

 

Yes, this will be painful but the right thing to do.  When we added up our combined debt, then looked at the money we could have for a down payment on a house if we DIDN'T have this debt, we kind of just looked blankly at each other.  But, we said that this is the reality we are in, we got ourselves here, and, given our situation, there would be no greater gift than to be able to clear much or all of our non-mortgage debt.  Lesson learned and I hope we can figure out a good plan so that we are never in this situation again!

10:01 am
August 25, 2011

Matt Wegner

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Owning the problem is half the solution, Lindsey. You both are willing to own the problem so you're well on the way to solving it. I would take a small portion of your wedding gifts, say 10%, and set it aside to have some fun. Maybe it's a honeymoon, maybe it's your new car. But I think it's important to do something fun with some of the money before knocking out debt.

And then it's time to start merging the finances and doing the budget together. Jon gave some great advice there – not much to add. Please do ask questions as you start going through the process together.

Glad to have you back in the forums, and congrats on the wedding!

3:47 pm
October 7, 2011

CanadianGazelle

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We are in our second month now of working with Matt on getting our combined budget in order and a good financial plan in place.  It has been interesting…but good.

 

For example, my husband realized (after we first met with Matt and set our budget) that he wouldn't be getting a paycheque until the middle of September (he had an injury and was on disability until the beginning of September, and also they had accidently cut off his disability cheques too soon!).  We deal with that.  Now, he just realized that when he gave me his monthly income (after tax, without any overtime), he overestimated.  When I ask him “so how did you come up with that number then?”, he couldn't explain it.  Haha.  His guess wasn't that off, but it definitely makes a difference in the extra amount we can put towards debt reduction this month.

 

Aside from that, he's doing pretty well for a guy who has never budgeted before (and used to have a sort of negative attitude towards budgeting).  I think he's better than I am (mostly because he's more disciplined).  I feel good now that we are fully combining our finances (and have a joint credit card) – we'll be able to keep each other more on track.  It's definitely a learning experience, but a good one.  I'm glad we decided to fully combine our finances and it's made me feel like we are more united as a couple.  He'll still have whatever money he makes working overtime as his money for his fancy car and motorcycles (for now sf laugh Forum) so that keeps him happy.

 

From my questions in my original post, we have these answers so far:

How much debt can we clear right away?  We were so blessed with generous cash gifts from our wedding and have the option of cutting our debt (other than mortgage) pretty much in half right away.  Best gift we could get at this point in our lives.

 

How can we finish paying off the rest of our debt?  Thanks to Matt, we have a plan for that!  If we stick to this plan, our non-mortgage debts could be paid off at the end of next year!  Imagine that!

 

What's next?  We have a plan that will allow us to save for a newer car for me (needed in the next year or two) as well as start putting away some money for a down payment (should take about 2 years after we have our debts cleared).  Putting more into our retirement savings will also be next.

 

What spending can we cut back on to save even more?  Well, it turns out, we can have a pretty livable budget without having to cut back on things too much.  We really will have to watch our eating out.  We cut our cable (more because we don't watch that much tv, but it also saves us a little each month) and we are looking into combining our cell phone plans (we have some of the most expensive cell plans in the world in Canada!).

 

Is it possible to live off one of our incomes and save the other?  The short answer: no.  However, it might be possible in the future once we pay off our debt, depending on what sort of mortgage we end up having.

 

I'll make updates every once in a while as we work through this pile of debt!…in case anyone is interested or finds it helpful!

8:37 am
October 12, 2011

ajgrifdog

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What if you're not ready to get married yet? Is it still okay to combine finances, or is it better to pay “halves”?

 

My bf keeps talking about how nice it would be to move into a place of our own (we each live with our parents) – but won't sit down and do the math with me. He keeps saying his budget works for him (which he does in his head, somehow?) and we would be broke if we move out.

 

I know where I am – I have around 28 months of debt left. That means I can start saving for a 'new' car in January of 2014, and move out on my own once I have a reliable vehicle.

 

What are some tips for getting him to sit down and talk about it?

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1:23 am
October 28, 2011

CanadianGazelle

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ajgrifdog – You are asking how to get a man to sit down and talk about something he doesn't seem like he wants to talk about?  If you figure out how to do that, please, let me know! Haha!  I can relate though, sometimes getting my husband to talk about things is like pulling teeth; sometimes I just have to say “if you are serious about this, we need to talk about it”.  If your boyfriend thinks his budget is fine, maybe you could do up your budget and say that you want to talk about YOUR budget with him and hope that might lead into some more detailed talks about his budget.

 

My husband and I moved in together before we got married.  We set up a joint account to pay for costs that we shared (electrical bill, tv/internet/home phone, mortgage payments) and we had our own accounts for our own costs (car insurance, gas, clothes, etc.).  When it came to the 'grey areas' (groceries, eating out, gifts given jointly) we would sort of mentally keep track and, if I was struggling with money more in one month, he would make sure that he paid more than normal for these things.  So, each month we would transfer the money for our share of the bills in our joint account, and the rest stayed separate until we were married.  We transferred a bit extra into our joint account each month and that would be used if we needed something like a new furniture item.  I think it worked okay.  I would not have been comfortable totally combining finances before we were married (even though we lived together for 3 years prior to our wedding and had dated 3 years before moving in together).  Even though I was pretty sure marriage was in our cards, I wanted to 'protect' myself financially in case I was wrong.  If we had combined everything financially and things didn't work out as planned, it would have been a heck of a headache to figure out the financial part of things.

 

When we first started working with Matt, it was the first time my husband had to write down all of his expenses and also what he made each month.  It took a lot of encouragement (prodding sf wink Forum ) but he did it.  We are two months in now and he's willingly sitting down and doing our budget each month with me…I think he sees the value in it and is really motivated to get out of debt.  Perhaps you can figure out some creative wording when proposing the budget conversation with your boyfriend that will highlight the value of the conversation for him?

4:25 pm
February 13, 2012

CanadianGazelle

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Time for a little update…

 

We will be paying off our last credit card next month (yay!!) and that leaves us with a line of credit (balance from credit cards transferred to this lower-interest loan, so still credit card debt) and my student loans (and our mortgage, which I'm not counting right now)!  I can see the end (and it's the first time I've seen it in YEARS!) and I'm feeling a bit impatient.  I just want to pay it off NOW!

 

After we pay off the line of credit (should take us about 5 months), then we are going to start investing 15% for retirement while we pay off my loans.  I am back in school now so the loans are just sitting there – I don't have to make payments and they are not gaining interest.  So, we figure that it's okay for us to start our retirement savings and then pay the loans off a bit more slowly.  I figure it will take us 5 – 6 more months to pay those off.

 

Originally, we agreed that any money my husband made from working overtime would be his to put toward his hobbies (motorcycles and an old car).  We recently decided that we would use that overtime money towards our debt.  We will keep track of how much overtime money goes to our debts and then, after they are paid off, we will start 'paying him back' for that money.  That way, we aren't wasting money on interest payments.  If he comes to a point in his work where he needs some money to buy parts in order to move forward with his car project, then he can take some money from our 'emergency car replacement fund' (my car is on the outs) with the understanding that the first overtime money he makes goes into replacing that money.  We feel comfortable with this since we are more stable financially now.  If he took $1000 from the car replacement fund and then my car died the next day, we'd be able to work something out without borrowing money (it feels SOOOO good to say that!).

 

I contacted a local investment firm manager to get a referral to an investment consultant.  I stressed that we wanted someone who would TEACH us about investing, not just tell us where to put our money.  We want to learn and know why.  He recommended someone who he felt fit that style and her write-up on her website seems to support that.  I'm looking forward to setting up an appointment to meet with her.

 

We also both have good job/career news.  I had my performance review the other day and it was excellent.  I got an 8% raise that day and I'll get another 5% in August and then another 5% next August.  I did some math, and the end number is a good one for me!  (I hope I did my math right! haha)  My husband applied for a different job in his company and was offered the position last week.  It is not easy for him to leave his current job as the team there REALLY needs him but I am proud of him for doing what is best for HIM.  Not only will the new position be more challenging for him with the opportunity to learn a lot and gain more skills, it pays at least $3/hr more (waiting to see the contract) and there are opportunities for overtime (very recently his current team had a ban on overtime).  So, this will put us in an even better position financially.

 

My plan (which of course, I will discuss with the husband), is to keep our budget the same and to start with investing 15% of what we are making now.  The extra money from our increased salaries can go to debt reduction until we are done with the debt.  Then, we will have to take a step back and look at our goals and see if it makes sense to increase our retirement investing or to put more money towards our savings for a down payment for a house, or something else.

 

I'm feeling very positive about our financial future!  I'm so thankful to Matt and all of the guidance he has provided. sf laugh Forum

5:34 pm
February 20, 2012

CanadianGazelle

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Couldn't wait until the end of the month…just paid off our last credit card!  Yahooo!

 

The countdown is on….one loan ($10, 000) and two student loans left to pay off until we are debt free except for our mortgage!

10:47 am
February 21, 2012

Matt Wegner

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So excited to hear your updates Lindsey!! That's great news about the careers. I think it's cool how you both decided to handle the overtime income. Way to go. You two are going to be financial superstars!

12:29 am
March 5, 2012

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February was a great month for us!  My husband got sent away for work for a week where he got slighlty higher pay and a ton of overtime.  In addition, his union settled on a new contract and he got some back pay.  We did really well with our budget and had just over $300 left that we didn't sepnd (so it went towards debt repayment).  Also, my husband sold his truck a while ago and bought a cheaper car a couple of months ago.  He had to do some maintenance work to the car and, now that that is all done, we put the remainder of the 'truck money' towards our debt repayment.  Apparently I may have dome some mathematical error inour budget in the past couple of months that left a bit of extra money in our account (at least, I hope that is what happenend, we couldn't explain it any other way; if I was wrong, then we have an emergency fund if we run short).  This allowed us to pay off 72% of our biggest debt left!!

We should be able to finish that off by mid-April and then start work on my student loans which should take 2 – 3 months (perhaps less once we figure out exactly what our new salaries will be and if my husband works any overtime).  What a nice sureprise!  I feel like money just magically appeared this month!  (Haha, wouldn't that be nice?)

 

Meeting with our investment advisor tomorrow for the first time — I'm really curious to hear what she suggests for us.

5:50 am
March 5, 2012

Matt Wegner

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That's awesome Lindsey! Sometimes we get a little extra money in our account too. We have to go back and make sure it's not something we set aside earlier and forgot about. For instance, we save x dollars a month for an expense that happens once a year and we leave it in the checking account. After doing that for 11 months, we can get a sizable chunk of money left in the account. It's tempting to spend that money until we remember it's designated for something else.

I know that's probably not the case in your house Lindsey, but it gave me a good reason to share the example.

I'm so excited for you both! You're really rocking the debt thing!

2:07 pm
March 5, 2012

CanadianGazelle

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Matt — that is definitely something people need to be careful about!  We use our checking account for all of our transactions and we have a savings account that we use for our monthly savings for those expenses that come up once per year.  Using your savings allocation tab of our financial spreadsheet, I made sure all of the numbers matched up.  

 

I thought of big expenses we've had recently to make sure I didn't transfer money from savings to checking and forgot to put the money towards the payment or something but I couldn't find any evidence of something like that.  But we did discuss the possibility that there is something I overlooked and agreed that we will put all of the 'extra' money towards our debt because we have the safety net of our emergency fund.  I actually wanted to only put half of this mysterious extra money towards the debt and keep the rest in our account (just in case).  However, my husband pointed out that we already keep a 'buffer' in our checking account and since our goal was to pay off our debt as aggressively as possible, he didn't see the point of keeping any of the mystery money in the account.  He is likely right sf wink Forum

8:28 am
March 20, 2012

Matt Wegner

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I'm with your husband on this one. You've got the emergency fund and the buffer in the checking account – go for it! Either plan was a good one but this one will get your debt gone quicker and you still have the safety net. Good work.

7:10 pm
April 26, 2012

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Just made the call to pay off the remainder of my credit line!  Wooohooo!  And now it's down to ONE debt left to pay – student loans.  We are trying to decide what to do about them.  Since I'm in school, they are just sitting there – no interest collection, no payments necessary.  They will stay this way until I'm done my Master's + 6 months (so at least for 2 more years, I figure).  Do we get aggressive and knock those off?  Or do we pay bit by bit over the next 2 years?  I'm tempted to just pay them off while we are on a roll and so that we can REALLY be debt free (except for our house).

We've recently been blessed with some financial…luck? karma?   

First of all, I'm getting a nice tax refund this year.  I know that it's not good that I'm getting a semi-significant chunk of money back but I think it's because I get some tax breaks for being a student again (since last year and the year before I got next to nothing and the only thing that really changed is that I went back to school).

Second of all, I was due for a raise (overdue, actually).  I kept following up to see when it would come into effect and I kept being reassured that it would be soon.  Well, it turns out that there was some confusion as to how much I'd be getting (some communication issues between levels of management).  Finally, my boss worked it out for me and I'm getting advanced to the next level of pay a year early!  This is great financially but also boosted my morale at work – it says to me that they value me and my work.  I'm so thankful.  Plus, since I was overdue, I'm getting a bit of retroactive pay as part of my raise will be backdated!  

It's funny how, when you stay dedicated to and focused on something, it all starts to fall into place! 

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